Hinduism is an obscene religion

India today has become the center-stage of conversion virus. China and countries beyond China are too unapproachable for this virus. And in rest of the world on west of India, already whatever conversion had to happen has happened. Now its only a game of jumping from one branch aka Christianity to another aka Islam and its minute sub-branches in those locations.
But in India, there a good match of Hindu and non-Hindu population so as to offer both an attractive number of potential followers, as well a large number of agents and support-base to carry on the mission of Allah or God. And most importantly, just as India is known to have produced the greatest legends of history, the soil is also very fertile for birth and nurture of traitors who take pride in self-immolation. What else could have ensured that destruction of a symbol of shame erected by a compulsive homosexual pedophile mass murderer and drug-addict called Babur becomes such a great issue in this country instead of being an event of pride! Refer Babri Masjid demolition. And then the impotent leadership coupled with loose controls ensure that any other Ajmal or Afzal can easily siphon in men, money, RDX and everything else needed to reduce proportion of Hindus, very easily. I can keep adding one reason after another. But that is not the purpose of this article.
To summarize, India offers the best climate to grow new followers for any foreign religion. Now religious Conversion is a very smart game. A large number of strategies are used with varied combination to achieve the goal of only one religion. One of the greatest ploys used these days for mass-level conversion activities by those wanting all Hindus to embrace only Bible or only Quran is to showcase that Hinduism is the most obscene religion in world. Not that this ploy was not being used so far. But in recent times, this particular tactic has become much more prominent for a variety of reasons which are not relevant to be discussed here for sake of brevity.
Now when a lover of Bible or ‘Quran+Hadiths combo’ alleges that Hinduism is full of obscenities, for example the sites like http://truthofhinduism.com, nothing can be more laughable! Because if one has to rate the most vulgar books being seriously followed to last letter, these two are bound to take the top two positions. One can browse through countless articles on these topics on sites like jesusallah.wordpress.com and many other sites to know more on this. But shameless as they are, these conversion viruses would not even wink an eye in duping masses in the delusion that if they bring more and more followers by hook or crook, they would get more and more luxuries/ virgins in Paradise.
But this is a very serious issue today. Huge number of Hindus, ignorant of their true Dharma, and duped by internal as well as external frauds, eventually end up starting to hate Hinduism due to this false propaganda. For them Hinduism is nothing more than vulgar love-making scenes between Radha and Krishna, worship of male organ in form of Shiva Linga, Vishnu and Shiva raping women, Mohini seducing Shiva, Brahma having relation with her daughter Saraswati etc etc. We have come across pamphlets being circulated these days across India showcasing these obscenities in Hinduism and appealing Hindus to embrace foreign religions to worship Only true God and achieve true salvation. More and more Hindus are starting to hate their foundations and even those who love Hinduism are not sure as how to explain these stories and defend their Dharma. And existence of communist sickulars only adds to this mess.
The objective of this article is to put all these allegations in right perspective and offer a toolkit to all Dharma lovers to be able to defend the truth and counter the false propaganda.
1. The very first point to ascertained even before delving into each allegation of obscenity is whether that comes under the purview of Dharma in first place? The concept of Dharma in Hinduism is completely different from blind belief system of Quran or Bible. The universal definition of Dharma accepted across ALL sections of Hinduism is the 11 fold path as propounded in Manu Smriti 6.92: Non-violence, Patience, Forgiving, Self-control, Non-Stealing, Purity, Control of Sense and Work organs, Intellect, Knowledge seeking, Truthfulness, Non-Anger. This has been further elaborated in Vedic Religion in Brief.
ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT TRANSGRESSES OR VIOLATES THIS 11 FOLD PATH IS NOT HINDU DHARMA.
2. The second touchstone of Dharma is Vedas. All Hindu texts very clearly and unambiguously mention that Vedas are the ultimate evidence. So ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT IS AGAINST VEDAS IS NOT DHARMA.
Basically the above two touchstones are one and same but from slightly different perspectives.
3. The same touchstone is elaborated in a slightly different manner in Yam and Niyam of Yoga Darshan:
Yam – Non-violence, Truth, Non-Stealing, Brahmacharya (Self-control and NON-obscenity), Non-Hoarding
Niyam – Purity, Contentment, Putting strong efforts, Self-study or self-evaluation, Dedication to All Supreme.
So again, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT IS AGAINST YAM AND NIYAM IS NOT DHARMA.
4. Having defined these basic touchstones, which are accepted by all sections of Hinduism, answering these allegations become much simpler. Because now our stand is very clear – We do not defend them, we simply REJECT them.
Q: How do you then explain the vulgar stories in our texts as alleged by these conversion activists and sickulars?
A:
1. None of these stories appear in Vedas which form the foundation of Hindu Dharma.
2. Most of these stories appear in Purans or Ramayan or Mahabharat. Now except Vedas, NO OTHER book is considered to be divine in Hinduism. Further all these Purans or Ramayan or Mahabharat are NOT spared from adulterations in last 1000 years of foreign rule by perverts who had the singular agenda of destroying the cultural foundations of this country. So these texts can be taken authentic ONLY to extent they agree with Vedas. Rest is simply adulteration and has to be rejected. And it is ACTUALLY rejected by Hindus in practice.
Q: Can you explain how you claim that these texts have been subject to adulterations?
A: There are several evidences. For example:
1. Bhavishya Puran contains stories of Akbar, Victoria, Muhammad, Jesus etc. It has shlokas talking of Sunday, Monday etc. However these stories stop in late 19th century when printing became popular. This very clearly shows that shlokas continued to be added in this book.
2. Geeta Press Gorakhpur publishes Ramayan and Mahabharat and has marked a large number of shlokas as adulterated because they appear clearly out of context.
3. Interestingly Mahabharat 265.9.4 Shantiparva even claims that fraud people have added verses that talk of wine, meat-eating, vulgarity to demean the vedic religion.
4. Garud Puran Brahmakand 1.59 states that Mahabharat is being distorted to show vulgarity in Vedic Dharma.
etc etc.
Even a cursory reading of these texts is sufficient to make us realize the amount of adulterations that these books have been subject to. Further many of these stories have been mistranslated to suit the designs of fraud conversion viruses and their carriers.
Q: How can you claim that these texts do not form part of our Dharma?
A: I did not say that these texts do not form part of our Dharma. I said that they form part of our Dharma ONLY to extent that they agree with Vedas. The evidence is in society itself:
1. No one takes the new unabridged Purans seriously (except a very few people who have nothing to do with Hinduism and only want to showcase their supremacy on basis of a fake birth-based caste system. Actually these people are biggest hands-in-glove partners of conversion viruses who destroy from inside). The mainstream Hindu population or even their leaders do not even know the name of all Purans. It is difficult to get complete versions of Purans etc today.
ONLY ABRIDGED VERSIONS or SELECT PASSAGES from these books are available for mainstream population. So ask for Ramayan, and most Hindus will give you Ramcharitmanas. Ask for Mahabharat, and they will give you Geeta. Ask for Purans, and they will at best give you compilations of moral stories from these books. Which means that Hindus agree to these books ONLY to extent that they are moral and as per Vedas.
They may make mistakes due to ignorance, but goal is always to preach and practice within ambit of Vedic religion.
Q: Then why do Hindus worship Radha-Krishna and Shiva Linga if they reject the vulgar stories behind them?
A: No, Hindus don’t worship these entities in the sense that conversion viruses want us to interpret.
1. Hindus are basically simple people who easily trust others. That is why they got fooled by foreign invaders for centuries. So, the first instinct of a typical Hindu is to trust others. Unlike a typical Zakir-type Muslim who is trained to mistrust people unless they follow Quran and Rasul and nomadic Arabic traditions, a typical Hindu would trust any other person merely because he or she is a human being. This trustworthiness is a great strength but also a great weakness, especially when you are living in an area where there are too many mosquitoes flying around spreading dengue and malaria.
So like Agniveer site, Hinduism has been quite vulnerable to hacking and virus attacks. It is time that instead of trying to maintain the same site that has become prone to future virus attacks, we rebuild it from scratch keeping the same content but hardening the security policies to defend ourselves from future attacks and eradicate existing viruses.
2. Due to simple nature of Hinduism, Hindus have traditionally not been over-critical. They adopted and adapted worship methods over a period of time to seek goodness from everywhere. It is a different matter that they did not even realize that in the process they have drifted so far from original source and have become virus prone.
3. Radha means Success. There is a mantra in Yajurveda 1.5 that seeks Radha or Success from Ishwar to be able to stay resolved in accepting truth and rejecting false. Now Krishna was an icon of such a resolve in his life. Someone somewhere down the line symbolized this Radha (or success) in form of idols. The goal was noble, but in process we drifted from core foundations of Ishwar worship. Soon creativity kept being added, the Radha became a woman, stories were written to demean Krishna with a non-wife woman and the game continued. Simple Hindus continue to worship Radha Krishna even today with same pure feeling, completely unaware of the distortions that have happened in the process. Ask any Hindu about the scripture which talks of Radha and he will become silent. Hardly any Hindu knows about it. Now Radha does not appear in either Mahabharat or Harivansh or Bhagwat or any other authoritative text, to cite an example.
To a typical Hindu, Radha is symbol of purity even though he does not know why and how. Had Radha-Krishna relation been obscene in minds of Hindus, that obscenity would have been reflected in lives of Radha worshippers. But Krishna worshippers are monogamous, often Brahmacharis and avoid free mingling with opposite gender. Thus, for all practical matters, HINDUS REJECT ALL FALSE STORIES AND ALL FALSE BOOKS ON RADHA AND KRISHNA.
4. Shiva Linga means Sign of Purity. It started with an attempt to create idol of a Deepak. Now many Hatha Yogi practice concentration on tip of Deepak flame. The flame flickers due to wind. Hence an idol was created to practice concentration. Then some pervert imagined reproductive organs in the idol and created false stories. Gullible Hindus started worshipping this idol as symbol of purity completely unaware of mystery behind. A typical Hindu is not interested to know why and how. He simply accepts things at face value and tries to accept goodness from everywhere. No Hindu has ever read Shiva Puran and other texts associated with Shiva Linga. He simply goes to Shiva temple to offer his pure feelings to Ishwar. Period. Thus, for all practical matters, HINDUS REJECT ALL FALSE STORIES AND ALL FALSE BOOKS ON SHIVA LINGA.
5. Hindus basically believe that same truth is approached by different scholars in different manners. They thus easily admit anyone as scholar and start following him as well in illusion that they are only seeking goodness. So we have Hindus going to Ajmer Sharif to worship even a traitor who sided with Muhammad Ghori to defeat Prithviraj Chauhan. They would worship grave of Afzal Khan who was killed by Shivaji, the Great for his loots and rapes. The basic drive that propels Hindus to every form of worship is very honorable – to seek goodness from all side.
But as I said, unless you apply medical ointment, take pills and carry all precautions of not eating and drinking without being careful, it is very easy to catch Dengue in New Delhi today. The Commonwealth drama is not going to help and in fact make situations worse due to dug-up roads, congestion and dirty-water accumulation. Similarly, despite the hype that variety of small and big cults create, unless we stick to our basics of Vedas, take strong measures, and be careful it is easy to be infected the way Hindu society has become today.
In summary, Hindus worship only goodness. They seek this goodness in whatever form of worship it comes. They do not care about stories behind it. They do not bother about genesis and conspiracies behind these modes of worship, and simply seek goodness. Hence while Hindus should be very careful, it is also true that these stories and these books DO NOT FORM PART OF PRACTICAL OR THEORITICAL HINDUISM.
Q: What about stories of Brahma having relation with his daughter and Shiva running after Mohini?
A: Again, the answer is same. These are NOT part of Hinduism. They appear in no Vedas. In fact there are no stories in Vedas of this nature. And unlike Islam and Christianity, Hindu Dharma has NO place for stories. Hindu Dharma is based ONLY on concepts and ideas. Stories keep changing from time to time, they may get changed, manipulated, distorted, forgotten, rewritten or whatever. But Dharma is SANATAN which means ETERNAL. It was same always in past and remain so in future.
Q: So you mean Ram, Krishna, Vishnu do not form Hinduism?
A: Ram, Krishna, Vishnu, Shankar, Brahma etc are not Hindu Dharma. They were instead FOLLOWERS of Vedic Dharma. They were legends and role models. We admire them because they exhibited great examples worth being followed. They exemplified Vedas in action. Such role models are necessary to inspire and instill direction in masses. But Dharma is eternal, as explained earlier. Billions of years from now, there may be another set of role models being followed. Before Krishna or Ram took birth, there would have been another set of role models and no one knew about Ram or Krishna. But Dharma was STILL existing. This eternal Vedic Dharma is Hinduism. And because Ram, Krishna, Vishnu followed this Vedic Dharma to perfection, they are integral part of our culture, inspiration, thoughts and resolutions.
Q: You are being tactful. I thought you would analyze each story of obscenity and explain why it is not obscene. You are instead refusing to even accept that these form part of Hinduism.
A: I am simply being honest. And Hinduism is not like Islam where a false Quran that contains stories of personal matters of Muhammad are also to be justified. Quran and Hadiths contain stories on why Muhammad married Aisha when she was kid, why he desired to marry his daughter-in-law and in fact had relation with him without marrying (claiming that marriage happened in heaven), why there are special rights for Prophet to marry more than normal Muslim etc etc. Neither are these stories relevant till end of the world to justify being part of what is touted as final book of Allah, nor they contain noble examples. But instead of rejecting these verses as falsehood to safeguard the character of Muhammad, fanatic Muslims try to justify these vulgar verses and in process demean the noble character of Muhammad.
Similarly Christians instead of agreeing that Bible contains fake stories, would justify why Jesus alone is savior of world.
Hinduism is based on much stronger foundations that cannot be shaken by petty stories. Instead of showing us false stories which we already have rejected, show us what is wrong in Vedic Religion in brief
You cannot show anything wrong, and that is why we claim that Vedic Religion or Hinduism is the only worthwhile religion to be embraced.
Its a pity that despite all this, those justifying every letter of vulgar texts like false Quran and fake Bible are brazen enough to point fingers on eternal Sanatan Vedic Hindu Dharma.
Q: What about vulgarity in Vedas?
A: Show me a single vulgar verse in Vedas? Show me one single episode of obscenity in all the 4 Vedas. Now don’t start citing translations of Griffith or Max Muller who were basically conversion ‘viruses’. Explain with word meanings why any verse in Vedas is to be considered Vulgar. No one has dared to showcase a single verse so far. At best people have copy-pasted some crazy translation by some pervert without going further to explain how they came to such ridiculous meanings!
For clarity of all, there is absolutely no vulgarity or nothing unscientific or nothing irrational in all the 4 vedas.
Q: But Hindus follow festivals from Purans associated with these vulgar stories. How can then to dissociate Hinduism from these vulgar stories?
A: Again a childish argument. Festivals is a social phenomenon inspired from Dharma and not Dharma themselves. Festivals and their methods change in every 2 kilometers in India and in fact this diversity is encouraged so far it is as per Vedas. Hindus follow festivals as social events to showcase respect to great role models and resolve to do good. The form of festival observance has always varied from time to time, place to place and society to society. At times they have even got distorted. But this has nothing to do with Dharma which remains eternal.
When we celebrate festivals, we do not recite any of these vulgar stories. We on contrary to this, observe much more self-control on these days to shower our respect and commitment.
Q: But then why are these stories part of your culture then?
A: Who said that these stories are part of our culture? Now traditionally birth-based Brahmins have been closest to religious texts. So if these stories were to be integral part of our culture, how can anyone explain that:
1. These Brahmins (I am referring to birth-based Brahmins here and subsequently in this part of article) have been the most monogamous community of not only India but world.
2. These Brahmins have observed celibacy and self-control to levels that are considered abnormal by Arabic mindsets.
3. No Brahmin ever conducted a single Yajna in Kashi or Mathura that is vulgar, violent or obscene.
4. No Brahmin has kept concubines or performed incest as claimed in these false stories.
Instead these stories have either been rejected, or ignored, or interpreted allegorically within purview of Vedic Dharma as described in first 4 points.
Q: But so many news come of fraud gurus in sex-scandal?
A: Had all this nonsense been part of Hindu Dharma, these news would not have been called scandals. The moment a guru is exposed in such deeds, he is subject to harshest condemnation by society as is case with any criminal. If Hindu dharma was or is obscene, then these news would not have hit headlines and would have been most rampant in society!. For example, it does not make a news when an Imam in Iran does Mutah or temporary marriage because Mutah is integral part of the religion there.
Just as one cannot say that Islam justifies women participating in bikini show merely because one Arabic women won Miss America this year, similarly deeds of a fake guru have nothing to do with Hindu Dharma. On contrary, the fact that he is condemned for his misdeeds show that Hindu Dharma has nothing to do with this perversion.
Q: But Muslims also do not follow all that you condemn in your site. Why do you follow double standards then?
A: Kindly read my articles carefully. I have never ever condemned Muslims in general or Muhammad. I have only condemned the new Quran and Hadiths. And I condemn those clergies or fanatics who claim that each letter of this new Quran and Hadiths is final and perfect. If these fanatics, instead state that all those verses in Quran or Hadiths which are found to be objectionable (obscene, demeaning to Muhammad, justify sex-slavery, call women as half-intelligent, say that non-Muslims will go to Hell, justify marriage with a woman with whose daughter one had physical relation, do not outrightly ban slavery etc etc) are NOT part of Islam and worth being rejected, then there is absolutely no objection to Islam. In fact, it becomes a branch of Vedic Dharma if all the Hadiths and objectionable Quranic verses are rejected.
Q: Your theory is strange. You justify whatever Hindus do and yet reject all these stories that form basis of what Hindus do.
A:
1. I do not justify whatever Hindus do. Had there been no loopholes in practices of Hindus in general, how could barbaric foreign cults have dared to enter Bharat. Certainly there were gaps between the actual Hindu Dharma of Vedas and what we started following out of ignorance.
2. But these gaps point at faults of the followers and not the Hindu Dharma itself. I agree with Zakir Naik on one point – do not judge a car by its driver but its engine. Similarly, judge Hinduism by Vedas and its core tenets and not its followers in general or fake stories invented later.
3. Yes, there are loopholes in practices of Hindus (in general) today considering the prevailing situations. Some of them are
- birth-based caste system in whatever broken form it is
- neglect of Vedas and Vedic Dharma which is our foundation
- tendency to take everyone at face value and trusting them too easily
- tendency to shirk away from fighting falsehood with iron hand
- passive attitude towards rising menace like Love Jehad, conversion virus, sickular mindsets etc
- not spending much time in trying to discover the roots of our Dharma and its essence
etc
We definitely strive to get rid of these to safeguard our religion from virus attacks and approach of Vedic ideals.
4. BUT, regardless of these, one point is clear – THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO VULGARITY IN HINDU DHARMA or even mindsets of Hindus when they observe Dharma in whatever way they do. They may be misled, they may be ignorant, they may be gullible, they may not be overtly critical, they may be bit too straight but THEY ARE NOT OBSCENE. THEY ARE NOT VULGAR in matters of Dharma.
There may be people who get into obscenities – like film stars or their bhakts – but there is nothing Hindu about it.
The challenge from Agniveer to all those who want to showcase obscenity in Hinduism is to prove that Vedas are obscene. Or the characteristics of Dharma listed in very first 3 points of article are obscene. Trying to highlight isolated stories from obscure texts that no Hindu takes seriously will not work. Because Hinduism itself rejects anything that is vulgar regardless of its source or origin. So these promoters of false propaganda should shut down baseless sites like Hinduism Exposed and instead create list of passages from their own religious texts (that they consider to be full and final to last letter) which should be rejected so as to claim their religion as “not obscene”.
Q: Vedas, Vedas, Vedas. You seem to be obsessed with Vedas. What about those cults who do not consider Vedas to be divine. And what about Geeta and Upanishads?
A:
1. Please review the Vedic Religion in Brief. And also review the 11 fold Dharma mentioned earlier. These are adopted by everyone including those cults who do not consider Vedas to be divine.
2. Even the cults whom you would claim to apparently reject Vedas were actually following Vedas by rejecting malpractices in name of Vedas and not Vedas themselves.
3. Vedas themselves do not force, like Quran or Bible, to consider them as divine texts to achieve some fictitious paradise. All they say is that one should accept truth and reject false and through this process truth will continue to become clearer. I consider Vedas to be divine because I have reasons and justifications for that. But someone who does not believe so is also following Vedas, if he does so to best of his understanding and intentions and free from prejudices.
4. Geeta and Upanishads are marvelous texts. Geeta is basically elaboration of 40th Chapter of Yajurved. The 11 major Upanishads are tonic for intellectual mind. So are 6 darshans and host of other scriptures. We admire them because, and only to extent they comply with Vedas. For example, Allopanishad is considered a fraud Upanishad designed by some conversion virus.
5. In any case, what is obscene that you find about Geeta and Upanishads? Instead of wasting time in proving obscenity in Hinduism someway or the other, study Chapter 2 and 3 of Geeta or 17 mantras of Ishopanishad and you will attain true Paradise here itself. Become Vedic because Vedas alone is Dharma.
As for Hindus, I repeat the cornerstone of Hinduism: ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT IS AGAINST VEDAS IS NOT DHARMA.
Hence, Hinduism stands for morality, purity and character alone.
All partiotic Hindus should promote this Vedic foundation of Hinduism far and wide so that we can effectively combat the threats of conversion viruses.
Agniveer site was hacked. But we can’t afford to have our Dharma hacked by perverts of foreign crap of intolerance and deceit which was never part of our culture.
Nanyah Panthah Vidyate Anayaya (Yajurved 31.18)
There is no other way!

Why Zakir Niak So Scared

His fans hail him as the next big thing to come after Muhammad. To them, if one has to understand Islam and Muhammad, it has to be through Zakir Naik. Just as Muhammad is claimed to be messenger of Allah, Zakir seems to be the new messenger of Muhammad. And anyone browsing internet can come through ample number of zealots who attempt to be the messenger of the messenger of the messenger of Allah. Its a different matter though that some Muslim clergies issued a fatwa that publicity of Islam through internet is ‘haram’!
Ever since I wrote first few articles exposing the fraud of Zakir Naik and level of his medical expertise, I have been getting hate mails and hate comments. I know that I am destined for permanent Hell for proving that the messenger of messenger of Allah aka Zakir Naik should have his hands chopped off as per Islamic shariat. (Refer my article http:/agniveer.com/naikexposed)
But before the messengers of this new messenger of the messenger of Allah (I admit its sounding confusing!) decide to send me to Hell, as per Quran 2.191, 9.123, 9.5, 66.9, 47.4 etc etc, as interpreted by Zakir Naik and his beloved Osama Bin Laden, I would like to present a summary chronology of events till date:
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It is not that I got a bout of epilepsy one night and an angel revealed to me that I should start questioning methods and designs of Zakir Naik. The articles written by me are milestones of a process that started much before and that would continue until I am sent to Hell as per verses mentioned above, or the foolish concept of such a Hell and Heaven and their promoters aka Osama Bin Laden, see their doomsday.
In 2004, at height of his popularity among semi-literate fanatic Muslims, he sent a mail to Sri Mahendra Pal Arya, a leading member of our team with a photo of himself holding Quran in front and Vedas in back. Sri Mahendra Pal replied back inviting him for a debate on how Quran is considered superior to Vedas by Zakir Naik.
Since then Zakir Naik has been extremely elusive. We have been trying to contact IRF through mail and phone, but they refuse to accept the invitation.
2.
In 2006, again a detailed letter was written to Zakir Naik questioning his fraudulent negative publicity of Vedas and other Hindu texts. He ignored as usual.
3.
On 27 March, 2007, we organized a debate between Pandit Mahendra Pal Arya and Tariq Murtaza, a professor of Aligarh Muslim University and a core member of Zakir Naik’s team. The debate was recorded on video as well. When Tariq Murtaza was forced to turn speechless, he gave lame excuses for the same. He then suggested that his teacher, Abdullah Tariq of Rampur would be able to debate better.
Now this gentleman Abdullah Tariq is another right-hand of Zakir Naik and supposed to be the expert on comparative religions. His Taqiah belief (search on google to discover yourself what is Taqiah) is that Vedas are first message of Allah and Quran the final one. So all should go by the latest edition of His message.
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On 8 February, 2008, after a tiresome management of logistics, considering the busy schedule of both Mahendra Pal Arya and Abdullah Tariq (both are involved in conversion activities primarily and hence keep traveling), we could finally schedule a public debate in Bulandshahar, UP. Abdullah Tariq, very confident about his conversion and conversation skills, claimed in very beginning that he would be willing to come each day to explain about Quran if he gets such a crowd to hear. But as the debate progressed, one could see droplets of sweat on forehead of Abdullah Tariq. By the time debate was over, he had to cry foul that Mahendra Pal Arya deviated from core topic. The debate ended on a peaceful note though and Abdullah Tariq reiterated his willingness to come for discussions again and again.
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That was the last we saw of Abdullah Tariq. Meanwhile we continued our efforts to contact Zakir Naik directly and invite him for a debate. But Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) would simply not respond. Sometime in mid of 2008, we uploaded videos of Pandit Mahendra Pal Arya on youtube. You can check them at http://youtube.com/truthwisdom2008. The quality is bit dismal because it is difficult to get funds for such activities from Hindus who are more busy wasting time and money on lavish yajnas, constructions, festivals and costly idols. But that did create an impact. We started getting hate mails and abuses, and also voices of support. Many disciples of Zakir Naik came to intermediate and stated that we have never ever issued an invitation for debate in first place. IRF also denied having received any such invitation from any person ever.

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Meanwhile two fanatics filed a petition in Court to put a ban on Satyarth Prakash, the book by Swami Dayanand Saraswati that is severely critical of the neo-Islamic beliefs. It was a matter of surprise that our secular court admitted such a petition in first place. And while rest of the Samaj was busy holding protest rallies and holding press conferences, we filed a counter-petition in High Court challenging the authority of lower court to even take up this case. We presented a detailed petition highlighting importance of Satyarth Prakash and how the points made in this book regarding Islam are authentic and without malice. High Court had to use its special powers to bring the case to High Court for hearing. In second hearing, the Court dismissed the case warning the petitioners to not file such frivolous cases in future.
This added to our notorious fame in eyes of the Zakir cohort.
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Many ignorant disciples of Zakir Naik, unaware of our previous invitations, claimed that if we ever come to face Zakir Naik, we would be crushed like anything. Others said that Zakir Naik is too big a personality to accept challenges from every Tom, Dick and Harry.
We humbly admitted to the size of our erstwhile personality and to check out how that crushing might appear, we issued another invitation in November 2008 on behalf of “Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha” – the apex body of Arya Samaj. You can review a copy of the invitation letter at http://www.scribd.com/doc/8142696/Official-Challenge-to-Dr-Zakir-Naik-by-Sarvdeshik-Arya-Pratinidhi-Sabha-
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There was an even greater silence from Zakir team after this. Because now, even Abdullah Tariq and Tariq Murtaza refused to come forward for another round of public discussions. They have now a standard stand - “If you want to discuss something, let us meet close doors and personally. We shall not discuss these things in public.”
Our team members spent most of 2009 debating select groups of Muslims, neo-converts and old timers. We held many face to face debates,  debates on phone with their prominent leaders and then on internet forums. This was when we realized how strong their network is. They have even priests of temples in their gang. In western UP, we became quite popular in this circle. We thus received huge number of dawats  (invitations) to embrace Islam which we countered with our dawats to come back home to Vedic Dharma.
Many did indeed accept and 2009 was a fruitful year in terms of success of our Shuddhi (purification) movement to bring our family members back home. We also continued our debates on Zakir Naik and his tactics on internet forums like orkut and facebook.
No surprise that we had turned even more notoriously popular in their circle by now.

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Then sometime in July or August of 2009, Abdullah Tariq addressed Peace TV and declared that in 5 years, they would make India an Islamic State. This was the last straw to break everything. We replied him back with a counter-challenge that in 5 years, truth-seeking Muslims would escape from their grips of falsehood like sand.
In August 2009, we sent another invitation to IRF to come up for a debate on behalf of Paropkarini Sabha – the apex intellectual body of Arya Samaj and caretaker of original Satyarth Prakash. We expected to receive no response as usual. So this time, we posted the invitation all across the web and email lists. You can view that simply by searching for “zakir naik paropkarini sabha” on google.
We also called them up and we came to know that Zakir Naik is busy in Dubai. After lot of efforts, we finally got a response from IRF asking us about what is the strength of crowd that we can pull. I have attached this letter with this article as a pdf along with my reply.
In my reply, I invited IRF experts to be present at Rishi Mela between October 23 and October 25, 2009 where thousands of people and famed personalities are expected to be present.
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That was the last ever communication we could make with IRF. Meanwhile the blabbering of Zakir Naik continued and I could see his messengers simply copy-pasting his writings to sway non-Muslims. We were thus left with no recourse but to prepare rebuttals to Zakir Naik’s demagoguery so as to prevent both Muslims and non-Muslims to fall in trap and develop completely wrong notions about Islam and Hinduism.
Ever since then, Abdullah Tariq has even refused to take calls if they come from our phones. IRF is dead silent as usual. But the covert activities are going in full pace.
Its obvious that Zakir Naik does not want to debate us publicly. At best, he would allow outsiders to ask a question to which he could reply by a one-liner and have his followers clap to their heart’s content. Or he would deliberately choose debaters who he knows are not trained in his covert methods.
He refused written debate with Al Sina because written debates expose everything. He knows that his Qadiyani source of plagiarism is already exposed. And he knows that Arya Samaj has been a thorn in eyes of Muslim evangelists for last 125 years. He knows that this group is thoroughly well-versed with Quran, his ways and the blatant loopholes. He knows that to give a stage show among semi-literate blind followers scared of Hell is not same as debating with those whose history lies in Shuddhi movement.
Yes, Zakir may have access to petrodollars and funds sourcing Osama Bin Laden. Yes, another bomb blasted in Pune killing innocents. True that Osama brand of terrorism ably supported by Zakir Naik continues. But Aurangzeb was scared of Shivaji despite his massive army and Ravan was scared of Ram despite he being Lankesh. After all, truth is more powerful than the strongest weapon.

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And thus Zakir Naik is so scared!
Conversation with IRF on debate

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Quran says there is no compulsion in religion

This is yet another favorite quote of everyone who wants to showcase Islam as religion of peace -- Zakir Naik, Shahrukh Khan, Barrack Obama and ‘My Name is Khan’ lovers etc. Even we agree that Surah Bakar 2:256 is one of the most benevolent verses of Quran. Had this been the only verse in Quran, I would have hailed it as the greatest slogan for tolerance and peace -- an echo of Vedas. Let me reproduce this great verse here:
“La ikraha fee addeeniqad tabayyana arrushdu mina alghayyi faman yakfur bittaghootiwayu/min billahi faqadi istamsaka bilAAurwatialwuthqa la infisama laha wallahusameeAAun AAaleem”
“There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.”
I believe this verse must be belonging to the original Quran. This was the time when Muhammad was joining people together in Medina for his great faith. He wanted to make it as lenient and tolerant as one could. But this is only a small part from beginning of Quran. The real story unfolds from here:
a. In modern Quran, many Ayats/ verses are supposed to have been abrogated and replaced with new Ayats. Sounds confusing! But thats true! Because there was no other way to create a new Quran from old message of Muhammad. Let me explain this concept of abrogation a bit here:
This doctrine of abrogation is based on two verses that Allah allegedly instructed Mohammed to put into the Quran.
“None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?” Surah 2: 106
“When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them understand not.” Surah 16:101
As per these, new verses (Nasikh) in Quran replace old verses (Mansoukh). Out of 114 Chapters of Quran, at least 71 are supposed to have been affected by this concept of abrogation. Refer “al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh” (The Abrogator and the Abrogated) which was authored by the revered Muslim scholar Abil-Kasim Hibat-Allah Ibn-Salama Abi-Nasr. The book goes through every Surah (chapter) in the Quran and cites in great detail every verse that was cancelled-out/overridden by particular verses that were written later. You can find more details on abrogation from another kafir site: http://www.islamreview.com/articles/quransdoctrine.shtml (Note that it only summarizes findings from Islamic texts and has nothing new to offer on this weird topic)
The summary conclusion is clear:
Out of 114 chapters of Quran, maximum of 43 chapters remain which can be taken as authentic.
Without getting into much details, let us come to the main point -- Verse 2.256 that claims there is no compulsion in religion was abrogated and replaced by Verse 9:5 -- The verse of sword. Now let us see what this verse is:
Sahih International
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Pickthall
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Shakir
So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Jalalayn
Then, when the sacred months have passed — that is, [at] the end of the period of deferment — slay the idolaters wherever you find them, be it during a lawful [period] or a sacred [one], and take them, captive, and confine them, to castles and forts, until they have no choice except [being put to] death or [acceptance of] Islam; and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush, [at every] route that they use (kulla, ‘every’, is in the accusative because a [preceding] genitive-taking preposition has been removed). But if they repent, of unbelief, and establish prayer and pay the alms, then leave their way free, and do not interfere with them. God is Forgiving, Merciful, to those who repent.
The essence is that kill the idol worshippers wherever you can. The next verses explain why you can never have treaty with idol worshippers and there are other verses which say that even if you have to make friends with Kafirs, make sure you have hatred against them in your heart. (Surah Imran 28)
1. Now, in recent times, many scholars have started arguing that 2.256 was not abrogated and it remains a valid verse of Quran. But this argument is contradictory of facts and itself:
a. If indeed there is no compulsion in religion, why is punishment for apostasy DEATH in Islamic Shariat? Why does no scholar like Zakir Naik or anyone else ever proclaim that Suadi Arabia and all those countries who give death punishment for apostasy and insulting Islam/Prophet are against Islam and anti-Muslim?
b. If indeed this peaceful verse is valid, why is propagation of non-Muslim religions prohibited in Muslim countries?
c. If indeed there is no compulsion in religion, why are there countless verses asking to have hatred against non-believers and kill them or force them to become Muslim? Refer Islamic Jehad article.
2. Some other scholars say that this verse was indeed abrogated but abrogation means that in a different context of war, verse of Sword (9.5) would be valid, else in non-war situation verse of no-compulsion would be applicable. If that be so, this implies double standards. It basically means that if you are not powerful enough, let there be no compulsion. So talk peacefully, but having hatred in heart for non-Muslims as per Imran 28 and work for your agenda tactfully. But moment you attain power, verse of Sword gets applicable. Then kill the non-believers unless they ask for mercy and agree to become Muslims.
This has been testified in history of growth of Islam. Wherever they were powerless they talked of peace and no-compulsion. And moment they got powerful, they started forcing Islam through threat of sword.
Even in history of Quran, no-compulsion verse was revealed when Muhammad was still trying to get a set of followers for his mission. And the verse of sword was allegedly revealed after Islam had already become dominant. We suspect, by this time, Muhammad would have been imprisoned all false verse inserted in his name. Or perhaps, after his death, this verse was inserted by his followers who were killing each other on might of sword.
In any case, only a very few scholars have started claiming that no-compulsion verse is not abrogated, primarily after Islam has been in scrutiny in last few years after its extremist face came to fore. They represent a minority and no one dare condemn Muslim countries for having capital punishment for apostasy and ‘denigrating’ Islam.
3. Please also note that Islam claims to be the only religion of world. It refuses to provide status of religion to other belief systems and puts them in forever Hell. Thus the verse on ‘no compulsion in religion’ only relates to minute differences within Islamic fold and does not refer to non-Muslims.
4. Some Muslim scholars say that only religions are Islam, Christianity and Judaism and Islam is the only true one among them. So perhaps some terrorists may spare Christians and Jews as per this verse, but idolators like Hindus are for sure not under purview of this verse. This is evident from history where Islam was spread in India, merely on force of sword after killing and rapes of crores. They say Hitler performed largest genocide. But if one looks into deeds of each of the barbaric Muslim looter from Muhammad Bin Qasim to Babur to Akbar to Aurangzeb to Tipu Sultan, each of them had been miles ahead of Hitler in brutality with added flavor of sexual perversion amounting to rape and sexual punishments.
5. As per Zakir ‘Terrorist’ Naik, if a country follows Islamic law (and Islamic law is best law as per Him, since islam is best religion!), then it is justfied to kill an apostate as per Holy Quran! Watch this video:

Here is another:

In fact, Zakir Naik quotes from Quran to claim that Islam alone is religion! Hence the concept of no-compulsion is valid only for Muslims!
For more on this subject also review http://www.danielpipes.org/2110/the-issue-of-compulsion-in-religion-islam-is-what-its
I appeal to all Muslims and non-Muslims alike to come out of trap of such an inhuman ideology. Neither is there any evidence of Quran available today being actually a work of Muhammad, nor is it a book which stands anywhere on parameters of human rights, tolerance, peace and rationality. It remains a book written by barbarians for a barbaric society that is no way applicable today. It is the only book on earth where God is supposed to have revised and canceled his own previous message causing bulk of Quran to be abrogated. There is nothing new in Quran that is not already there in Vedas or other ancient texts. Belief in modern Quran is based basically on blind belief on imaginary stories that provide no evidence or logic to be true. And blind belief can only breed intolerance.
The evil designs of these fanatics is clear. They will showcase Islam as peaceful and friendly and tolerant and go all extent to prove this when they are not in majority. The moment their power increases, they will start showing their true face and start applying verse of Sword. This is how they plundered India and rest of the world. This is how Islam contributes to almost entire supply of terrorism today. This is how any peaceful place in world becomes violent as Muslim population rises above a minimum level. At least Hindus should be aware of their evil designs. This is how they grabbed Pakistan and Bangladesh and became 20% of Indian population at least. Hindus have been having their sisters, daughters and mothers raped by barbaric looters shouting Allah-Hu-Akbar for 1000 years and its high time they start understanding true meaning of no-compulsion. An amnesiac person who enjoys feeding milk to snakes despite being bitten innumerable times, is bound to be killed one day.
The worst victims of this blinded intolerant cult are those innocent Muslims who cannot get out of its clutches due to fear of death and repression, and can also not gain trust of rest of the world due to misdeeds of terrorists and extremists who predominantly hail from Islam in last 1400 years. I appeal to them to come to the true original Vedic dharma -- the first and only religion for humanity, which is beyond barriers of caste and race, has no superstitions and only demand belief in path of truth. Even truth is defined not as blind dogma in any book including even the Vedas. Truth implies adopting what is best for self and world as per one’s best understanding and putting all efforts to enhance this understanding to best of one’s abilities and intent. For more details, visit Vedic religion in brief (Vedic Religion in brief) Also note that this Vedic religion was the original religion of forefathers of almost all Muslims in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh who were forced to convert either on threat of sword, or deceit or a stupid caste system that was never part of Vedic religion. Also note that Vedic Dharma does not mean idol worship. It means La-Ilaha-Illallah (There is none else but Allah) removing any association with any Muhammad. Vedas worship a shapeless, omnipresent, perfect, timeless, kind, just, flawless, all-powerful Ishwar/Allah who never takes birth, never alters his eternal laws and acts only for our benefits.
May the true religion of no-compulsion prevail and let all false dogmas be eliminated.
Please Contact us if you are keen to know more and come back to the original and only true tolerant Vedic Dharma.
Addendum: As with other articles, all criticisms are directed to version of Islam as presented by fanatic mindsets like Zakir Naik, and their followers. It is not directed towards a host of minor sects and ideologies in Islam which themselves face lot of atrocity for their beliefs. Some of them are:

Hashamiya / Taraqibiyah: They Predicate a body to Allah and also allege Prophet (pbuh) of disobedience to Allah.

Khazimiyah: They believe Allah loves men of all faiths even if one has been disbeliever most of his life.

Nazzamiyah: Followers of abu-Ishaq Ibrahim ibn-Saiyar. They do not believe in the miraculous nature of the Holy Quran nor do they believe the miracles of Holy Prophet (pbuh) like splitting the moon.

Ibriyah: They believe that Holy Prophet (pbuh) was a wise man but not a prophet.

Fikriyya: They believe that doing Dhikr and Fikr (Remembering and thinking about Allah) is better than worship.

Tanasikhiya: They believe in the re-incarnation of soul.

Ahadiyah: They believe in the Fardh (obligations) in faith but deny the sunnah.

Ammaliyah: They believe that faith for one is what he/she sincerely practices.

Hujjatiya: They do not believe in the punishment for deeds on the grounds that because everything is determined so whatever one does s/he is not responsible for it.

Lafziyah: They believe that Quran is not the word of God but only its meaning and essence is the word of God. Words of Quran are just the words of narrator.

 

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Islam: The fastest growing religion?

Islam Is claimed to be the fastest growing religion by the new prophet of Islam Dr Zakir Naik and his followers. Large section of people inspired by the new messenger can be seen indulged in debating others over the issue of fastest rate of growth of Islam. Interestingly, on one hand, Mullahs in countries like India are assuring the people of other faiths about trueness of Islam through their own census, on the other hand, in Muslim countries like Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, etc, holy warriors are killing their fellow Muslims for not being true Muslims! But, one thing, which makes Islam different from others, is the spectrum of its preachers starting from Mullahs proving Islam through peaceful speeches to Osamas and Kasabs, who implement the peaceful teachings of Islam through their peaceful actions! That’s apart, today, we shall analyze the claims of muslims about Islam to be the fastest growing religion.
We will pick one by one the claims of Muslims on why Islam is from God, which we have come across quite often, and will scrutinize those in two ways. Comment “a” below every claim will examine it by assuming the claim to be true. Comment “b” will contain the reality of the claim, whether it is right or wrong.
Islam is best and the only religion from God because

Claim 1: it has the following of over 1.5 billion and in few years, Islam will become no. 1 surpassing Christianity.
(a).
(i) Still the majority is with Christians! If number is the criterion of being best, Christianity is better than Islam. Moreover, we can generalize this logic and say that, since non muslims are 5.5 billions (almost 4 times the muslims), non muslims are better and hence Islam is not from God!
(ii) According to Zakir Naik, sinners in the world are increasing. Readers can watch one of his videos answering a question about reincarnation. This is evident from the deeds of people as well. Everyone can see the moral values going down. People have become more selfish and they are no longer ardent devotees of God, as they happened to be in the past. People are not as truthful as the people of past era used to be. So, the number logic says that lies, selfishness, immorality, and atheism are from God as they are practiced the most! Also, sins and Islam both are increasing simultaneously as per Zakir Naik. So, if one is from God because it is increasing, other would also be from God by the same logic. Wise will conclude the rest!
(iii) What about the time when Muhammad started preaching his philosophy? His religion was neither in majority nor was its rate higher. Should not then Islam automatically fails to qualify the majority/highest rate test at least in past?
(iv) Just like Islam today is claimed to have high growth rate, idolatry was at boom some few thousand years ago. Isn’t then idolatry from God? And everything, which either was/is in majority or had/has highest growth rate should be from God by this logic!
(v) Since number is so important for Muslims, then, is it not strange that they believe in just One God and one prophet? Why are not polytheists better than Muslims since they believe in more Gods? Or is it that number logic works opposite here? Can anyone enlighten us, in which case this number logic works, in which, it gets reversed, and in which it does not work at all?
(b). Islam will become number one for sure in terms of population. But the reason behind this is not the people converting to Islam but higher number of babies muslims produce. It is evident from the fact that muslim countries have highest growth rates, which is the result of high birth rates rather than any conversion, since all are already muslims there with nobody to convert.
Claim 2: more and more people are coming to Islam
(a).
(i) Logic of majority/high growth rate has been examined above.
(ii) Islam is the comfort zone for the people fond of lust. Thus people with lower character accept this opportunity to enjoy 72 virgins forever. This is the main reason behind most of the conversions to Islam. Moreover, Islam provides complete package of 4 wives and innumerable concubines to the males in this world itself. This makes Islam favorite for many, who are in search of moral justification to have extra marital relationships!
(iii) It’s true that more and more people are accepting Islam but at the same time, many are leaving it too. If accepting Islam by people is seen as truthfulness of it, why not leaving Islam by many people is a proof of its falsehood?
(b). Zakir Naik says that don’t judge a car by its driver. Thus we should look down to Islamic scriptures to know Islam and not see what the people say or do. One will be called as a muslim only when he does Fard (duty) as per Quran and Hadith.
(i) Today, most of the muslims of Indian sub continent (I am not sure about other muslim countries) worship graves. Nijamuddin Auliya in Delhi, Moinuddin Chishti in Ajmer, Haji Ali in Mumbai, and many others like these are visited by muslims in huge numbers, making these the largest gatherings of muslims anywhere in the world after Hajj. But according to Quran, grave worship is Shirk and Shirk is the only sin, which will not be forgiven! Thus most of the people, who think they are muslims but actually they are not, will go to hell!
(ii) Praying 5 times a day and fasting in the month of Ramdan is also the duty of a muslim. Can Zakir Bhai tell us how many of so called muslims are actual muslims as per the above condition?
(iii) Many hadith say that a muslims should not dress like Kafirs. Many places, it is written that a man’s dress should not hang beneath the ankle. If it is, the man will not be entertained by Allah on the day of resurrection! And interestingly, modern day prophet of many muslims,  Zakir himself dresses like Kafirs (wears suit and tie), which has been called Haram by Muhammad!
(iv) Muhammad ordered muslims to grow beard. But today, we see hardly any muslim except Madarsa bred Mullahs having beard.
In short, it can be concluded from the above points that a muslim is the one, who does not do grave worship, does offer prayers five times a day, fasts for whole month of Ramdan, does not wear cloths like Kafirs i.e. pants, shirts, suit, tie etc, does not wear garment which hangs beneath the ankle, has beard as per Islamic norms etc etc. And the one, fails to do any one of the above, will burn in hell forever!
There would hardly be few million people, who actually follow the above norms. If this is the case, Islam is actually the fastest declining religion today and has least number of followers among all religions!
Claim 3: Quran is the most read book of its time
(a). This is yet another logic which many muslims used to give. Again, by this logic, Quran cannot be said as word of God because it was not read as much as other books like Vedas used to be in the past. And today, books like Harry Potter, five point someone etc are read by crores of people, which by number logic, should be from God! One can ask that we are discussing religious scriptures and not the fantasy books or novels and hence Quran cannot be compared with these books. But, we should remember that Quran too is full of the stories of angels, Jinns, Satan, flying donkey, splitting of moon, birth of a baby without father, weeping of trees, stones talking to man, sky as roof supported by invisible pillars, seven skies, heaven, hell, pre decided fates etc. So, for a sensible person, there is hardly any difference between Quran and the stories of Ali Baba Chalis Chor! We have categorically analyzed Quran in our previous articles and we have shown that why cannot Quran be from God. Readers are requested to go through the articles listed under the section “analysis of Islam” in our site.
(b). Indeed, Quran is the most read book in the name of religion, but it is the most hated book of its time as well! So, it cannot be from God since its haters are more than its lovers.
Claim 4: Quran is the only text on the face of the earth, which is free from any tampering
(a). By this logic, every article on this site is from God, since no tampering whatsoever has been done in those!
(b). Actually, this claim of muslims regarding perfectness of Quran is a hoax. There is a dispute among muslim scholars regarding the exact number of verses in Quran. Everyone knows that Shia muslims consider this current Quran to be incomplete and they believe in a Quran, which they say original, which is comprised of 17000 verses, but is not available today. In other sects of Islam, some people estimate about 6236 verses, some say 6349, some even claim 6666! Many even say that some verses were from Satan instead of Allah! After this much of contravention, how can one claim Quran to be free from any interpolation? Moreover, current Quran was compiled much later after the death of Muhammad by his followers, who were fighting each other to spread the message of religion of peace!. In these circumstances, who can believe in the claims of Quran to be unchanged from its beginning?
Claim 5: many hindu Shankaracharyas like Shankaracharya of Banaras  has openly announced Muhammad to be the last prophet and Quran to be the final word for whole humanity.
(a).
(i) First of all, we would like to know, can a hindu Shankaracharya, who is a Kafir and believes in idol worship, become source of inspiration for muslims to believe in Islam? If that be so, why not idol worship be accepted by muslims as holy work since Shankaracharya does it?
(ii) Bringing a hindu preacher in an Islamic gathering is itself against the doctrines of Islam. So, the muslims including Zakir Naik should do Tauba for committing this sin. Since muslims are not to believe in the words of Kafir, Shankaracharya should not be taken seriously in the matters of Deen! Hence Islam is not from God.
(b). There is no Shankar Math and hence no Shankaracharya in Banaras by the way!
Claim 6: many famous scientists have embraced Islam.

(a). All the scientists were/are non muslims. Thus, if scientists are to be followed, Islam is not from God!
(b). The fame of those famous scientists is yet to reach non muslims and intellectuals! We are trying to contact IRF regarding these famous (?) scientists but have got no response.
Claim 7: Islam is being accepted by many people in west. Number of women converting to Islam is higher than men. This is the biggest proof that Islam gives highest respect to women.
(a). People of west do many more things like drinking, open sex, multiple partners for both man and woman etc. Do muslims accept these deeds also right? If not, how can the decision of such people accepting Islam be said right? Hence Islam is not from God!
(b). People of west are really coming to Islamic ideology! That is why Zakir Naik has been banned from even entering in Canada and UK. May be, westerns have become so much Islamic that they don’t require outside preachers preach Islam anymore!
Claim 8: Miracle of Kaba being center of the earth has been proven scientifically.
(a). If Kaba is at the center, how does it prove trueness of Islam? Kaba was built by Ibrahim, who was the father of Jewish people. Should not then this miracle of Kaba being the center of earth proves trueness of Judaism instead of Islam?
(b).
(i)Anyway, this is the most foolish thing one can claim! Earth is almost spherical and its center lies inside it. How can Kaba be at the center? Can the center of a sphere lie on its surface? Even if one talks about the surface, every point on the surface of a sphere is geometrically same. Then what is so special about Kaba?
(ii) The scientists, who claimed it, must be Madarsa alumni because science has not become advanced enough to shift the center of gravity of earth from its center to its surface! Of course, Madarsas have the technology of “Kun Fayakun”, which is unique solution to every problem and above all, Allah knows the best!
Claim 9: Miracles of Allah are seen even in animals and birds. For example many goats, cows have been found to have name of Allah and Muhammad written on their backs. Many crows, dogs, and donkeys have been seen to call “Allah Allah”. One can type “miracles of Islam” in youtube and find hundreds of such videos.
(a). It seems that the testimonies of famous (?) scientists, Moulvis, and Shankaracharya were not enough to prove Islam best. Hence people have started giving testimonies of animals in order to show superiority of Islam. Wise choose the path, which other wiser people have chosen. But in Islam, it is other way round. Muslims argue that we should accept Islam because animals say “Allah Allah”! Again the question arises, can deeds of animals be the bench mark for humans? If that be so, why do muslims wear cloths, go to schools/Madarsas, accept the marriage bond, work in offices, wash hands, take bath….? Moreover not all animals say Allah! So again, by number logic, Islam is not from God! Anyway, we give advice to Zakir and his followers, not to follow animals, but follow intelligent.
(b). In reality, the videos of such miracles of Allah are nothing more than the laughter shows! Readers can themselves see those videos and get a heavy dose of laughter. Those videos are even more entertaining than those of stage performer Zakir Naik. All I can say, it is the biggest mockery of Islam and Allah by muslims themselves in the name of miracles.
Claim 10: People are leaving other religions to accept Islam but no muslim leaves Islam.
(a). This is obvious as Islam orders to kill the one, who leaves it. This is the reason why is Islam a one way trap, in which one can enter but cannot come out. Biggest reason behind this is the coward mentality of muslims of not allowing non muslims to preach in their countries. One can see heights of fanaticism of Muslims that they want freedom of speech in every country and they enjoy converting others. But they don’t have guts to let others preach their religion among muslims.
(b). This claim is false though! There have been great scholars within Islam, who openly criticized many doctrines of it. For example, Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, the biggest Islamic educationist of India, founder of Aligarh Muslim University, openly denied the existence of Satan. He criticized many other beliefs as well and as a result, fatwa was issued that he is a Kafir! Anwar Shaikh, another eminent scholar of Islam from Pakistan, calls Islam, “The Arab Imperialism”! He was cremated instead of burying as per his wish to die as Vedic follower. He was very proud of his Vedic culture and ancestors. Another notable scholar from Pakistan is Ghulam Jelani Barq, who completely rejected the hadith! He was also listed as Kafir by the mullahs. Today, Ali Sina, Parvin Darabi, Wafa Sultan, Parvez Hoodbhoy, Tariq Ali, Imam Mehboob Ali, and many more are criticizing Islam greater than any non muslim. They all were born in Islamic families. So according to this logic, Islam is false because many scholars have left it!
After analyzing these claims, we can conclude that fanatics like Zakir Naik are spreading the hoax of Islamic superiority based on their own false census of highest conversion rate. People are being fooled by the so called experts of comparative religion in the name of childish logic, self created census, and science. We have seen that how mocking was it to claim Islam best because some animals said “Allah Allah”. In the end, we request everyone to think rationally and then take a decision. Crowded place should not be the destination of intellectuals. Rather, it should be based on logic and morality.
“Follow the right path, irrespective of how many people are with you. Don’t reject the truth even if you are alone and whole world is against you, because in the end, it is only truth, which will prevail”
-Rigved

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Kaba or Idol Worship?

Idols are considered to be another means of representing and meditating upon the Ultimate Ishwar/God which cannot be easily appreciated by human minds. Thus humans created idol of God to show their respect to Him and offer their gratitude. Vedas however do not prescribe idol worship because they offer alternate and more effective means to worship and thank God – through noble actions, noble thoughts and noble emotions. The Vedic approach also saves us from various potential pitfalls of idol worship like human tendency to attempt to fool God by assuming that his/her job is done after the bowing down or ritual of worship. It also ensures that dumb minds do not start taking an idol to be actually God and not mere a piece of stone. And most importantly, the Vedic view is that the root cause of all grief is ignorance or Avidya. And eradication of Avidya implies that everything should be considered what it exactly is. Thus a formless Ishwar must be worshipped like a formless entity alone, through Yogic methods, to achieve salvation.
Nonetheless, Vedas, while not recommending idol worship, are also not intolerant to those who perform idol worship. The only means that Vedas prescribe to eradicate the habit of idol worship is through spread of Vidya or true knowledge, compassionate relationship among all humans like that between mother and child, and allowing time and space for each soul to discover the truth by itself rather than being forced to believe in something through threat or force. That is why, in Vedic culture, while many saints and scholars have been worshippers of formless Ishwar and many others have been idol worshippers, they have debated with each other in peaceful and cordial manner to come closer to truth without terming each other as Hell-seekers, apostates or scoundrels. This is the way of the civilized as inspired from the Vedas.
There is however one cult – Islam – that claims to be completely monotheistic and against idol worship and has had a history of banning idol-worship through all possible forceful and deceitful means. Idol worship, as per Islam, is greatest sin. And if someone worships an idol, despite he or she being how-so-much noble, gentle, saintly or good-hearted, there is no way he or she can go to Heaven and will have to burn in Hell forever. The doors of Heaven are closed forever for a person, who despite the best qualities, is an idol worshipper. And he or she has no choice but to burn in Hell forever and drink boiled water till eternity. A rapist, pedophile, murderer, cheat can still have access card to enter Heaven if he shuns idol worship and embraces Quran, Muhammad, Allah without idols, Angels and Judgment Day without any application of brain.
So much has been paranoia against idol worship in Islam, that even pictorial or artistic representation of any animate entity is haram or banned.
In this article, we shall not analyze idol worship in general or the cause of hatred of Islam against idol worshippers. We would simply analyze if indeed Muslims are not idol worshippers? As we shall see, it is impossible for anyone to be a Muslim without being an idol worshipper. And the greatest example of this idol worship is Kaba worship. No Muslim can be a Muslim if he does everything else as per Quran, but refuses to bow down to Kaba in his passion to avoid idol worship of all forms.
Our dear old friend, Zakir Bhai, gives 6 arguments to prove that Kaba worship in reality is not worship. The arguments are as intelligent as his overall intellect exhibited in his other articles and videos. (Though I still admire the confidence with which he puts forth the most stupid argument, and still gets a big applause from his semi-literate audience. I wish I had the same shameless confidence or had access to such a great audience that would clap on my silliest PJ’s!)
For novices to Islam, let me set the context. Kaba is a square building in Mecca which is the most sacred place for a Muslim. Kaba used to be worshipped in a set ritualistic manner since ages before advent of Muhammad. And while Muhammad tried to stop almost prevalent practices of his times, he curiously allowed continuation of the same Kaba worship and kissing of black stone there. The other practice that he continued to be allowed was circumcision. While all the Mecca dwellers were butchered by Muhammad’s army in ‘Holy’ war (Zakir Naik gives evidence of Vedas to prove that Muhammad killed 60,000 people of Mecca!), still he could not stop the Kaba worship in same ritualistic manner, perhaps because the affection of the people towards Kaba in that era was too strong to be mellowed down by sword. So an exception was made for Kaba in Muhammad’s Islam. And hence, if you want virgins of Heaven, better not ask any questions and simply go round the Kaba without applying your mind.
(I have just provided gist of story as propounded by Islamic scholars. I personally do not believe in Muhammad being author of all verses in present Quran in first place)
So here are the brilliant arguments of Zakir Naik. (Note that we will not dwell into whether the black stone is washed after kissing by so many people, or the hygiene aspects of millions of people kissing the same stone and mixing each other’s saliva. Zakir Naik having been an MBBS sometime ago, may evaluate this better.)
Argument 1. Kaba is Qibla (direction) and since we Muslims believe in unity, we face in the direction of Kaba while praying.
Comments:
a. Muslims believe in unity according to Zakir Naik! More than 100 sects of Islam today are in support of his claim! Sunni, Shia, Qadiyani, Khoja, Wahabi, Bohra…..all support him with unity! Can anyone still dare to ask him that if muslims were/are so united, how could more than 100 sects within Islam come into existence?
b. What is the need of unity during the prayers? Should not one be free to pray as per one’s own choice? If unity is required everywhere then why not eat, drink, and sleep at the same time and in same direction? If I want to pray in any direction, why will not God accept it?
c. Many Muslims pray alone in their houses most of the times. How does Qibla (direction) matter in this case when there is no one to get united?
d. Do Muslims actually have unity in direction while prayers? When a Muslim in east of Mecca faces west, at the same time a Muslim in west of Mecca faces east! Both face opposite to each other! If Zakir Naik says this as unity then two armies facing each other should also be considered as united and thus friends!
e. To which direction a Muslim will bow, who is just opposite of Mecca on spherical earth ? He has both options to bow to his east or west! How does the concept of unity work there?
f. Very few Muslims know that inside Mecca no direction is needed. People can face and bow down to any direction they want. This exposes the fallacies of Zakir’s claim of unity blatantly. Zakir says that Muslims should bow down to one direction only, so that they can remain united. One can ask him; don’t Muslims inside Mecca need unity? And if they can remain united without bowing down to a common direction inside Mecca, why can’t they do it outside too?
g. This is very strange that after so much of efforts to remain united, today, most of the bombers and their victims are Muslims!
h. Uthmaan, third Caliph of Islam, compiler of modern Quran was killed by none other than Muslims led by Aisha’s brother and Abu Bakr’s son while he was offering prayer. Can there be a greater example of unity during prayers than this? (Remember that Aisha was Muhammad’s beloved child wife with whom Allah had divinely fixed his marriage!)
Argument 2. Kaba is at the centre of the earth.
Comments:
a. According to Zakir’s science, Kaba is at the centre of the globe but science says that every point on a sphere is geometrically same. In this way every place on earth is centre. If Zakir means equidistant from both poles, he is wrong. Kaba is at 21 degree north on globe which means that if it is at a distance of 30 units from North Pole, it has to be 50 units distant from South Pole!
b. Anyway, whatever may be the case with Kaba’s latitude and longitude, one thing is clear. There are infinite number of places on earth which either have same latitude or same longitude as that of Kaba. So there is no reason why Kaba should be given a special status.
Argument 3. We Muslims circumambulate the Kaba because it represents that there is only one God just like there is only one centre of a circle.
Comments:
a. Many hindus circumambulate their holy places. But then why is that Shirk in the eyes of Zakir Naik if circumambulation can mean “just believe in one God”?
b. During “Aarti”, a Hindu ritual, in which prayers are offered by devotee, the plate is moved around making circle with a unique centre! So Hindus also believe in one God and they show it by moving the plate so that it makes circle with one centre!
c. Can a Muslim circumambulate his house or a temple for this purpose? If yes, why do Muslims go for Hajj? How does circumambulation of the temple or a house different than that of Kaba?
d. Can Zakir Naik give any reference from Quran or Sahih Hadith, which supports his claim of “one centre-one God” concept behind circumambulation?
e. If I interpret the circumambulation as “a circle has infinite points inside it and thus there are infinite Gods in Islam”! How can Zakir refute my claim?
f. If circumambulation means “one centre-one God”, why don’t Muslims do it in their mosques along with their prayers every time? If one says that prayers already include One God philosophy then circumambulation at Hajj is needless as Muslims offer their prayers there too!
g. According to Zakir Naik, unique centre of a circle represents One God. Is it not Shirk to believe the centre of a circle similitude of God? If Muslims themselves believe in such representations of God, why do they condemn non Muslims for their idols? If such rituals in the name of One Allah can be accepted by Zakir Naik, why can’t he accept the idols as yet another representation of God’s different qualities in different forms?
Argument 4: Bukhari [2-56-675]-Umar told muslims that he kissed the black stone only because Muhammad did so, otherwise this stone can neither benefit me nor can it cause me harm. This is the proof that we Muslims don’t worship the Kaba.
a. Now Zakir Naik has the testimony of Umar that, kissing black stone is not idol worship because there is nothing special about that stone other than Muhammad kissed it. Can we ask, why did Muhammad kiss the stone then? There must be something special with the black stone so that Muhammad kissed it.
Umar sees nothing special with black stone and thus Zakir says kissing it is not idol worship! By the same logic, since Muhammad kissed it, he would certainly be convinced of its divinity and thus kissing it is idol worship and Muhammad did it! Since Muhammad was a bigger authority than Umar, kissing black stone is idol worship! ( I know this one would be too complex for madarsa minds!)
b. If Umar and Muslims kiss black stone just because Muhammad did so, and if it is not idol worship, it is no less than human worship since following someone’s order even without thinking its right or wrong shows the ultimate belief of the followers of a person in him. This is Shirk to believe someone other than God to be ultimate. So it is up to Zakir Naik what he wants to be, an idol worshipper or a human worshipper! In both cases, Islam would send him to Dozakh (Hell).
c. By the same logic, Hindus and Christians can say that they do idol worship because this is written in their books and their ancestors did so. If their ancestors would have not done this, they also would not be doing so! How will Zakir Bhai refute their claim?
Argument 5: At the time of the prophet, Sahabas (companions of Muhammad) used to stand on Kaba and then give the Azaan. Can any idol worshipper do that? This is the proof that we Muslims don’t worship Kaba.
a. Great logic! But all the Hindus on Ganesh Utsav throw their idols in the rivers! Can any Muslim do that with black stone? Since no Muslim can do that, it proves by Zakir’s logic that Hindus don’t worship idols but Muslims do!
b. Can any Muslim today, to debunk the claims of non Muslims of idolatry in Islam, touch the black stone with his feet?
c. If Kaba is just a Kibla (direction), can Zakir Naik hammer it down just like his Arab masters did with the idols of Hindus while they invaded India? (If anyone is hurt by this, please read those verses of Quran which order Muslims to break idols of others and kill the idolaters)
Argument 6. We Muslims don’t bow to Kaba, we only bow to Allah.
a. Zakir Naik says that Muslims actually bow to Allah, but for unity they bow in one direction. But as we know, Allah is on seventh heaven, should not then Muslims face upwards which is the actual direction of Allah instead of facing Kaba, which is a mere stone?
b. Every idol worshipper says that he bows to his God only, but for the sake of physical representation, he bows before idol. Why then Zakir Naik sees Shirk in the idols of others but “Tauheed” in bowing, kissing, circumambulation of a stone called Kaba?
Now we will quickly summarize the similarities and dissimilarities between idol worship and Kaba worship.
Similarities:
1. Muslims bow down to Kaba. Hindus bow before idols.
2. Muslims claim to remember Allah while they bow to Kaba. Hindus claim to remember Eeshvar while bowing before idol.
3. Muslims circumambulate and kiss the Kaba. Hindus do Aarti before idol and fold their hands.
Dissimilarities:
1. Muslims bow Kaba five times a day whereas most of the Hindus hardly bow to idols once a week.
2. Muslims don’t have liberty of choosing their direction of bowing whereas Hindus can face whichever direction they want by choosing appropriate direction of idol.
3. Hindus throw their idols after they perform their rituals especially on some occasions but no Muslims can ever think of doing so with the stone of Kaba.
4. Hindus fold their hands before idol just to give respect to God but Muslims kiss the black stone because Muhammad did so.
Conclusion:
The above analysis proves that if Hindus are idolaters for performing certain rituals, Muslims are no less than idolaters. In fact Muslims, in addition to idol worshippers, are human worshippers as well, which we have proven above.
Further, idol worship by Hindus has some rationale behind it, and is not obligatory to save one from Hell. Islam idol worship of Kaba is must to save one from Hell and get 72 virgins in Paradise.
We request our Muslim brothers and sisters to think about it with an unbiased mind and then draw conclusions themselves. We also request all Hindus, Christians and public in general to start worshipping the Ultimate in the most perfect manner – as described in Vedas – through noble thoughts, noble actions and noble meditation as prescribed by the path of Yog.
Remember: “God is existent, intelligent and blissful. He is formless, omniscient, just, merciful, unborn, endless, unchangeable, beginning-less, unequalled, the support of all, the master of all, omnipresent, immanent, un-aging, immortal, fearless, eternal and holy, and the maker of all. He alone is worthy of being worshiped”.
Let us worship God/Ishwar in the way He actually is, and achieve ultimate bliss for one and all. That is the sole purpose of our life and that is also the need of the hour. Let us start worshipping Ishwar in the truest form, unite together, and bring back the era of bliss, prosperity and salvation for everyone. Let us worship Ishwar in same manner as Ram and Krishna worshipped them. Let us arouse the Ram and Krishna within us and be the best devotees of Supreme Lord!
May the truth prevail! Let us work towards making truth prevail! Let us come back to the Vedas!

source:--http://agniveer.com/1685/kaba-or-idol-worship/

Test of secularism

We live in a secular country. And indeed secularism is one of the most noble concepts of humanity – that no policy, system, process or mindset shall be influenced by any cult or notions about religion. The entire concept of secularism is based on the precept of  ’communal harmony’.  Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was a great supporter of ‘communal harmony’. He popularized the bhajan ‘Ishwar Allah Tero Naam’ which means that Ishwar and Allah are same. The communally harmonious and secular people of his era used to sing this melodious song in all temples and the trend continues till today. I still recall how we grew up singing this song in school and all public gatherings.
Forces like VHP, RSS and Arya Samaj are often alleged to be fanatic, rightist and hell-bent on destroying ‘communal harmony’. The intelligentsia of the country and world is thoroughly worried with growth of these fundamentalist forces in recent times and how it is disrupting peace and harmony in the sub-continent. Whenever there is a terrorist attack, these fundamentalist forces would term it as Islamic terror and then the secular media has to spend lots of efforts and energies to explain that terrorism has no religion. It has to come up with videos and films of nice Muslims and bad Hindus to compensate for the wrong notions regarding Muslims. It has to blow out of proportion cases like petty bomb-blasts in Malegaon where cow-slaughter is a rampant practice. And then the entire state machinery gears up to catch hold of some rightist forces allegedly behind these attacks.
Its a different matter that some of the larger terrorist attacks are not big enough to awaken the same machinery of state and we keep waiting for Afzal’s sentence for ages. The summary notion that the intellectuals of this country (India) in particular have is that Hindus have become very fundamentalist. They tend to blame all Muslims and specially the clergy for all the terrorism that is happening internationally. It is just a matter of coincidence and conspiracy of western media that most terrorists, terrorist groups or Somalian pirates who come in limelight happen to be Muslim. But the reality is that Hindu terrorism is even more dangerous. And hence curbing this should be number one priority.
We shall evaluate the Hindu and Islamic terrorism and their cause in some of the later posts. But for now, let us propose a very practical solution for all Hindus and Muslims to enhance communal harmony and promote secularism. I am inspired by Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi to offer this solution. Those who abide by this solution are true secularists and those who refuse to accept it are the real fundamentalists. Because all I offer is an extension of the Gandhian Ishwar Allah Tero Naam.
So here is the solution cum test of secularism:
1. Let all temples recite verses of Quran on loudspeaker every day after prayers and let all mosques recite verses from Geeta and Vedas.
2. Let all temples and mosques announce through loudspeakers and write on their walls that ‘ Ishwar and Allah are same, Ram and Rahim are same, Geeta and Quran are same, Kashi and Kaba are same’
3. Let there be Yajna/ Havan in mosques and Namaz in temples at same time.
To start the process, let the leading temples and mosques come out for this initiative. Agniveer has already discussed this with leading temples of India to do the same. Let now the Muslims come up with list of mosques like Jama Masjid who agree to this.
Agniveer is ready to put ‘ Ishwar and Allah are same, Ram and Rahim are same, Geeta and Quran are same, Kashi and Kaba are same’ prominently on its website on front page. Let IRF also do the same.
Agniveer is ready to come on stage and bring prominent Hindu leaders who would announce this on stage. Let Zakir Naik, Imam Bukhari and other Islamic scholars also announce this on stage.
Agniveer is ready to pronounce and also have other Hindu scholars pronounce that: “Hindu or non-Hindu, all good people will achieve Swarg/ Heaven”. Let Zakir Naik, Imam Bukhari, Deobandis and other Islamic scholars also proclaim that “Muslim or non-Muslim, all good people will achieve Paradise or Zannat.”
Let us now see who really wants communal harmony. Any organization that refuses to agree to above should be banned for being fundamentalist in interest of communal harmony.
This is the real test of secularism. If indeed Zakir Naik can proclaim the above statements on stage and put on his website, Agniveer shall also do the same on his website and remove all articles against Zakir Naik immediately.
But yes, if Zakir Naik, Bukhari and other representatives of Islam refuse to agree to above and Hindus continue to sing ‘Ishwar Allah Tero Naam’, then there would be no community more foolish than Hindus. Because one who continues to offer milk to a cobra and willingly puts it over his head, believing it to be a spiritual Shesh Naag, deserves to be destroyed. Let Zakir Naik and Bukhari prove that they are indeed Shesh Naag and not ‘Aasteen ka Saanp’ through their actions.
And till these Muslim representatives refuse to pass the above test of secularism, so-called intellectuals have no business to term any Hindu organization or force as fundamentalist or extremist.
Mohandas could convince only the Hindus to sing “Ishwar Allah Tero Naam” in temples and they continue to sing till today. Let this glorious song now reverberate in mosques and IRF shows and bring true communal harmony in country and world.

How to debate Infidels and Kafirs and win!

We reproduce here an excellent tract by Ayesha Ahmed. You can review this and other related articles at http://islamreview.com. Those who have been debating with believers on this site and elsewhere would be able to appreciate each and every word. I hope a rebuttal of this would also be on way.

Dear brothers and sisters in Islam:

We live in kuffar country and daily we have to face the infidels who criticize Islam and our Prophet, and who want to debate us. In an Islamic country if some one did that all we have to do is to announce loudly what he said and the rest is taken care of by an angry mob. The critic is lynched in no time. End of the story. However here we don’t have that luxury as yet. Inshallah in forseeble future after we grow by conversions of morons and criminals in prisons, legal and illegal immigration and procreation we will, inshallah, become a majority and will not have to face this problem on daily basis. However, for the time being following is an approach all Muslim brothers and sisters can use when faced with such a pest. Jazakallah Khair. Inshallah the vermin will steer clear of you in future.

1. A popular question is “why Islam calls for death of Islamic critics and apostates”. Insist that their info is false. Quote aya “to you your religion and to me my religion”.
2. To answer “Islam spread with sword”, say that it is a big lie spread by the right wing Christians, neo con jews and faithless hindus and that Quran clearly says ” there is no compulsion in religion”.
3. If the Bin Laden’s jihad Fatwa of 1998 is quoted which orders muslim umma “to kill americans wherever they are found” which was also signed by top islamic clerics , say that those so called muslims /clerics have hijacked peaceful religion of islam and quote a part of aya 5.32 ” killing one innocent is like killing the whole humanity”.
4. If in response some one quotesall the violent ayas from Koran, accuse him of quoting ayas in bits and pieces and cherry picking .
5. If he then quotes full ayas and ayas before and after, than insist that the translation is wrong.
6. If he brings ten different translations than say correct meanings can be understood only by reading Quran in Arabic.
7. If he happens to be well versed in Arabic language than insist that those ayas don’t mean what they appear to mean as they have allegorical meanings.
8. If he is adamant, than say you cannot understand those ayas without reading the context from hadiths and siras.
9. If he shows up with the hadiths and siras in hand and quotes the context of the violent ayas by referring to hadiths of prophet’s rapes, robberies , assassinations and genocides then insist that “all hadiths and siras are heresay and are false, and only truth is in quran.
10. If they ask why you are doubting the history chronicled by muslim scholars like Imam Tabari , Ishaq and Bukhari, then tell them they were actually jews guise of as muslims.
11. If he says Quran is a man made book and wants proof of it’s divinity then refer to the sciences in Quran and the book written by Dr. Bucaile confirming the sciences in our holy book. You can also quote that Mahatama Gandhi read Quran daily and also spoke highly of it.
12. If he says that Bucaile was on Saudi payroll and that nor he nor Gandhi ever changed their religions and that Bucaile was challenged and proven wrong by many experts then challenge him to ask his experts to debate islamists like Zakir Naik.
13. If he says Zakir Naik is not coming up for debates, tell him that he is not worthy of debating Zakir Naik. Zakir debates only with leaders of big organizations.
14. If he says Zakir has refused to debate even leaders of big organizations, tell him that Zakir does not debate idiots.
15. If the pests still hangs around then change the topic and find faults in other religions and their books.
16. If he continues on then use personal attacks and insult him by calling him a racist crusader, jewish a- hole , a Chinese pig or a hindu dog .
17. If that does not frustrate him, then ask him how much he is being paid by jews to throw dirt on Al Islam.
18. If he still does not stop then run for his mother and sister and use very filthy language.
19. If he is very stubborn and wants to continue, then curse him like “Burn in hell, you will repent on last day, Allah will get you in your grave” etc
20. When all of the above has failed, threaten him with bodily harm and end the debate by drum beating and announcing that you won the debate hands down because Koran is the word of allah.
21. Definitely anounce about this debate victory in as many as possible popular islamist websites saying you had won it handily. Such announcements do wonders for the iman of muslim umma and for dawah operations in prisons to convince low IQ prisoners of the truth of Al Islam.